Te Kawehau Hoskins (Ngati Hau) is an associate professor in Te Puna Wananga--School of Maori and Indigenous Education, and Associate Dean Maori for the Faculty of Education and Social Work at the University of Auckland. Alison Jones (Pakeha) is a professor in Te Puna Wananga. In this talk, Te Kawehau and Alison Jones discuss their entangled trajectories as writers and thinkers. Te Kawehau and Alison each bring a critical view to their relationship and the possibilities for productive engagements between indigenous and settler subjects here in Aotearoa New Zealand.